GTD Values

Buying cars as an investment strategy is a bad idea. It's all smoke and mirrors. Even if you "make" $100k or $200k or even $500k on a car, the total cost of ownership is usually so high you'd be better off with an index fund. This typically applies even if you make it to the rarified air that gets you specialty Ferraris, which requires you to lose hundreds of thousands of dollars on other cars for 5-10 years or blow 7 figures on racing a Challenge car. There are a few notable exceptions (Porsche 918 VIPs, Ford GT direct allocations), but all things considered cars remain a mediocre investment even when you're "winning."

As far as the value of the GTD, I'm a bad person to ask. I waffle on what I think it will be worth. It is nothing like the GT imo. The GT is a unique proposition in the automotive landscape. But then again, the market for rich guys with plenty of money to which $325-425k is really not a lot of money is...big. You think of the cumulative total of cars in that range that gets sold in the US and it's many, many, many thousands per year. I can guarantee you the GTD will be a "safer" bet than a ZR1 despite the fact the ZR1 is spectacular because GM has shown time and time again that secondary market value of any Corvette is in no way a concern. I also guarantee it will not be like some specialty McLarens in which you purchase, and immediately lose $200k (or more). Hell, you could have easily lost $300k on an SF90 the last couple of years.

Ford however has an interesting (and potentially unsolvable) task. Obviously they've had a desire to increase the sophistication, performance and appeal of the Mustang. The GTD is a real quantum leap over any Mustang they've ever sold. It is much faster than a 2017-2022 Ford GT on a road course. But from my experience they struggle with finding a way to position the brand in the market to appeal to customers in this arena. The GT sold itself regardless. If you want GT3 RS guys, there's usually more to it than the car. Things like the 2025 LM program help, and honestly, one of the biggest things that attracts me to a car is the interaction with the people from the program to help me understand all the work that went into it. To date, there's not really much available to potential buyers.

We will see, but I think one of the biggest challenges will be maintaining a level of appeal to more than just the classic "I'm going to kill 9 people leaving Cars and Coffee" crowd...
 
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I have a different viewpoint, my very first love of a car was a Fox Mustang. The first Mustang in our family was a 1988 Saleen, I still own it today. The first "Specialty Mustang" I ever saw was a 1995 Cobra R, I presently have 3 of them. I think I am of the Era that grew up with the Mustang as a fun car I could afford, now I have progressed to be able to purchase one of the greatest Mustangs ever, I am sure I am not the only one. And as far as those other brand Egg cars, I have always enjoyed tracking with them, even if I can't beat them they know the Mustang is there. We have a group of track Mustang guys the other track guys calls the Mustang Mafia. We are fast and rowdy. This will keep the GTD going, others may mock it, but deep down they know it is a badass muscle car, here to throw down on whatever they bring.
 
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I don’t know how the wheels came off and this became a one track convo about resale value. DBK is right, buy some bonds to bolster your investment portfolio, buy a special interest vehicle to deny your heirs their piece of the action.

For me the big question is whether this is a car that is fun to drive. Why is my 2012 Laguna Seca - fixed rear axle be damned - more fun than my GT500 with the CFTP? Why is a standard 3.8 997 with a stick more fun than my 992 Turbo S?

I think the answer lies in the fact that manufacturers, under the premise of safety based on their assessment that drivers are essentially idiots, have devised mechanical babysitters that unequivocally numb the experience of driving. Those babysitting vices add size and weight and dull the experience.

The S650 platform feels big and heavy compared to the S197. You sit in the former with a Camaro-like slot window and tiny mirrors, versus sitting “on” the S197 with more glass, better driving position, and less bulk. Never mind that the dismal weight distribution and fixed rear axle can quickly help you see Grandma a lot sooner than you intended, the experience of the S197 is just a lot more engaging.

This focus on horsepower is BS. A track car doesn’t need 1,000 hp. Just ask the guys who spun out and hit the wall at turn 3 at COTA. The focus should be on building a machine that connects the driver to the experience, to ultimately challenge that driver to master the skill of driving the machine.

Does that mean we should rip the airbags out of our cars and go back to soap box racing? Hardly. But things have shifted the other way in a dramatic way, and I have been hoping that the GTD would buck this trend. So far no dice, unfortunately.
 
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PredatorPilot said:
I don’t know how the wheels came off and this became a one track convo about resale value. DBK is right, buy some bonds to bolster your investment portfolio, buy a special interest vehicle to deny your heirs their piece of the action.

For me the big question is whether this is a car that is fun to drive. Why is my 2012 Laguna Seca - fixed rear axle be damned - more fun than my GT500 with the CFTP? Why is a standard 3.8 997 with a stick more fun than my 992 Turbo S?

I think the answer lies in the fact that manufacturers, under the premise of safety based on their assessment that drivers are essentially idiots, have devised mechanical babysitters that unequivocally numb the experience of driving. Those babysitting vices add size and weight and dull the experience.

The S650 platform feels big and heavy compared to the S197. You sit in the former with a Camaro-like slot window and tiny mirrors, versus sitting “on” the S197 with more glass, better driving position, and less bulk. Never mind that the dismal weight distribution and fixed rear axle can quickly help you see Grandma a lot sooner than you intended, the experience of the S197 is just a lot more engaging.

This focus on horsepower is BS. A track car doesn’t need 1,000 hp. Just ask the guys who spun out and hit the wall at turn 3 at COTA. The focus should be on building a machine that connects the driver to the experience, to ultimately challenge that driver to master the skill of driving the machine.

Does that mean we should rip the airbags out of our cars and go back to soap box racing? Hardly. But things have shifted the other way in a dramatic way, and I have been hoping that the GTD would buck this trend. So far no dice, unfortunately.
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I own a bunch of Fords including both gens of GTs, a boss LS and even a 427 cobra, yet my favorite is my 2018 GT350 because it is the perfect balance of new technology and still retains an analogue connection. I’m expecting great things from the GTD and will have to see how it connects with us behind the wheel.
 
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Any geopolitical futurists, international strategists, wish to share non-ideological insights on how USA tariffs placed upon Canada, should such tariffs come into fruition in 2025, might impact the Mustang GTD pricing and subsequently, valuations?

Stock market (i.e. auto manufacturer stocks) has already reacted today in speculative forecasting.
 
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PredatorPilot said:
I don’t know how the wheels came off and this became a one track convo about resale value. DBK is right, buy some bonds to bolster your investment portfolio, buy a special interest vehicle to deny your heirs their piece of the action.
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i dont think the "wheels came off", I thought it was actually the whole point of this thread. The OP was wanting opinions about future value............
 
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I own a bunch of Fords including both gens of GTs, a boss LS and even a 427 cobra, yet my favorite is my 2018 GT350 because it is the perfect balance of new technology and still retains an analogue connection. I’m expecting great things from the GTD and will have to see how it connects with us behind the wheel.
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Well said! My fav track (and maybe road) drive I have had is my '19 GT350R - it is pure bliss being behind the wheel and pushing the limits of my abilities!
 
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Well said! My fav track (and maybe road) drive I have had is my '19 GT350R - it is pure bliss being behind the wheel and pushing the limits of my abilities!
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350R is an awesome car. I had a 2018 but switched to a GT500 for track purposes. No matter how good I THINK I can drive a manual, I cant beat the computer. But for open road driving with some twisties, its impossible to beat the 350R.......
 
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I’ve been doing some basic research on the NFGT sale market. Now it’s not apples to apples but it gives me an idea on how each package (base,carbon,heritage) have held up. The GTD has similar packages and I like spreadsheets lol. Now this was just for fun, very limited sample size and all from bring a trailer site. So take it for what it’s worth.
 

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All I have to say is the mileage average is ridiculous. Very few of them even have enough miles to break in the engine. Not a single car has even 5k miles. Hope I am reading it wrong.
 
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All I have to say is the mileage average is ridiculous. Very few of them even have enough miles to break in the engine. Not a single car has even 5k miles. Hope I am reading it wrong.
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Yea that’s what stood out to me. These are all garage queens that were never really driven. I did see a nfgt with 50k miles that didn’t hit reserve and it was still bid well over msrp.
 

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Have you considered that GT's that have miles on them, are not being sold, as we are driving and keeping them? PLENTY bought the NGT purely for resale, and never drove them.

Lastly your sample size is 42. 1350 were built.
 
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Have you considered that GT's that have miles on them, are not being sold, as we are driving and keeping them? PLENTY bought the NGT purely for resale, and never drove them.

Lastly your sample size is 42. 1350 were built.
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Yep, I know. That’s why I said my sample size is small. Yet my sample size is only based on “sold” cars listed on Bring a Trailer in the last 2-3 years. I have no way of knowing anything about cars values that are not for sale, with unknown miles being kept. “Garage Queens” were in reference to the ones sold with basically no miles.
 
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