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I preface this post by saying I am not a car flipper, and have no intention of buying this vehicle just to turn around and sell. I am also aware that conversation is probably an exercise in futility since no one knows the future, and that it is not near the top of the list of important purchase factors, but...

The cost of this car is extremely high for a Mustang, and so an apples to apples comparison on what future values will look like does mot currently exist (if wrong on this please advise). Many sports cars from very high end brands that used to be immune to depreciation are starting to get hit hard, and other vehicles who were commanding massive markups are failing to sell at prices below MSRP, at times WAY below.

I understand this car is different, both in its handbuilt nature (by MM one of the best out there) and limited production (but how limited we still dont know), but it is also the first time Ford has tried to sell a Mustang for Ferrari money. So, after the car flippers have their fun when the 2 year clock runs out, what do you guys think the future value trajectory looks like?

Will it follow a path like the last gen FGT (even though GTD isnt a unique platform like the GT nor has the racing history pedigree of the GT) or is there a chance that with performance cars continuing to get faster on track, as they do with time, that their will be too few eager buyers for a 400k Mustang?

Again, I plan to hold onto my car, but this purchaee is turning into a much larger investment than originally expected (based upon options being more expensive and needing more of them to get the car I want), so I have to look at this as an investment as well. Not to make money, but at least not lose it (most cars are depreciating assets, but at this level?) I do not think that this is likely, but I also have some confirmation bias going on because I really really want the car.

So, while this is a conversation I have not wanted to have, I figured some other opinions from people with more experience than myself with these kinds of cars could help. Please do not flame me for being THAT GUY, I am not, just want to have an open discussion. This subject is probably important to a number of us, who love these cars, but are stretching to make the purchase happen and need to know what they are getting into (or at least get as much info as possible).

Thank you in advance!
 
my personal opinion is that none of us will lose money in the event of a sale, but I would be genuinely surprised if the GTD follows a similar value trajectory as the NFGT. I say that because I believe there will be a significant amount of typical exotic / supercar buyers who will NEVER view the GTD as a "supercar", regardless of its performance. They will likely view it as a glorified GT500, regardless of its racing bonafides. I suspect that type of buyer would probably choose a GT2RS over a GTD for their collection.

Personally I dont really care if I would make money, because I have no intention of selling it. But life happens, things change, and nobody knows with certainty how they might feel 3, 5, or 7 years from now. So it definitely warrants consideration when choosing your build, because what started as a $325k car could easily approach a half million depending on your spec.

None of us got in the position to buy one of these by making careless financial decisions. For me, I'm going to assume if I ever was forced to let it go, that I could at least break even (or get damn close). Anything over that is a bonus.........
 
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my personal opinion is that none of us will lose money in the event of a sale, but I would be genuinely surprised if the GTD follows a similar value trajectory as the NFGT. I say that because I believe there will be a significant amount of typical exotic / supercar buyers who will NEVER view the GTD as a "supercar", regardless of its performance. They will likely view it as a glorified GT500, regardless of its racing bonafides. I suspect that type of buyer would probably choose a GT2RS over a GTD for their collection.

Personally I dont really care if I would make money, because I have no intention of selling it. But life happens, things change, and nobody knows with certainty how they might feel 3, 5, or 7 years from now. So it definitely warrants consideration when choosing your build, because what started as a $325k car could easily approach a half million depending on your spec.

None of us got in the position to buy one of these by making careless financial decisions. For me, I'm going to assume if I ever was forced to let it go, that I could at least break even (or get damn close). Anything over that is a bonus.........
I preface this post by saying I am not a car flipper, and have no intention of buying this vehicle just to turn around and sell. I am also aware that conversation is probably an exercise in futility since no one knows the future, and that it is not near the top of the list of important purchase factors, but...

The cost of this car is extremely high for a Mustang, and so an apples to apples comparison on what future values will look like does mot currently exist (if wrong on this please advise). Many sports cars from very high end brands that used to be immune to depreciation are starting to get hit hard, and other vehicles who were commanding massive markups are failing to sell at prices below MSRP, at times WAY below.

I understand this car is different, both in its handbuilt nature (by MM one of the best out there) and limited production (but how limited we still dont know), but it is also the first time Ford has tried to sell a Mustang for Ferrari money. So, after the car flippers have their fun when the 2 year clock runs out, what do you guys think the future value trajectory looks like?

Will it follow a path like the last gen FGT (even though GTD isnt a unique platform like the GT nor has the racing history pedigree of the GT) or is there a chance that with performance cars continuing to get faster on track, as they do with time, that their will be too few eager buyers for a 400k Mustang?

Again, I plan to hold onto my car, but this purchaee is turning into a much larger investment than originally expected (based upon options being more expensive and needing more of them to get the car I want), so I have to look at this as an investment as well. Not to make money, but at least not lose it (most cars are depreciating assets, but at this level?) I do not think that this is likely, but I also have some confirmation bias going on because I really really want the car.

So, while this is a conversation I have not wanted to have, I figured some other opinions from people with more experience than myself with these kinds of cars could help. Please do not flame me for being THAT GUY, I am not, just want to have an open discussion. This subject is probably important to a number of us, who love these cars, but are stretching to make the purchase happen and need to know what they are getting into (or at least get as much info as possible).

Thank you in advance!
I think it will follow the pattern of the NFGT. I think if just anybody could buy this car, it would be a different story. The application process, to me makes this car even more special.
 
Should hold its value. However , I would not be surprised to see improved or updated model after the 2 year production. As long as they keep production numbers relatively low (still less than Porsche GT 2/3 RS, and 8 cylinder mid engine Ferraris, prices should hold.
 
Recorded this 6 years ago. It’s whatever someone’s willing to pay
 
I'll play devils advocate... As hinted by onepunch, it's a very glorified Mustang that doesn't yet have much racing history. I do not expect this to appreciate like either the FGT or NFGT, in fact I expect it to depreciate over a 5 year wiindow...

And mine, with 50K miles, will be worth even less...
 
I'll play devils advocate... As hinted by onepunch, it's a very glorified Mustang that doesn't yet have much racing history. I do not expect this to appreciate like either the FGT or NFGT, in fact I expect it to depreciate over a 5 year wiindow...

And mine, with 50K miles, will be worth even less...
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I have no clue what the market will decide. Personally, a purpose built GT3 with license plates and an ICE pushing 800+HP is worth it. How many car enthusiasts are there vs people that want an appliance?

I jumped into a McLaren 750 for the same reason (future cars will all be hybrid…). Ferrari is headed down this path too. Porsche Cayman… the list goes on.

I have little interest in a BEV or hybrid as an enthusiast- yes, I would have one to commute to work. Think sedan/wagon/SUV.
 
I'll play devils advocate... As hinted by onepunch, it's a very glorified Mustang that doesn't yet have much racing history. I do not expect this to appreciate like either the FGT or NFGT, in fact I expect it to depreciate over a 5 year wiindow...

And mine, with 50K miles, will be worth even less...
then mine, with 75k, will DEFINITELY take a haircut. ;-)

And I couldnt care less........lol
 
We all won the lottery but Ford is mum about what we won.

My approach is to move to the back of the line. All of you hardcore believers are welcome to be first to get your hands on this shiny new object. I will wait till I know what the hell I am committing to.
I have quite a few legacy Fords which undoubtedly qualified me. But I’ve also learned it can be risky to get the latest hyped metal from Ford. I was first in line for a Braptor and was fortunate to get the hell out as soon as I could. Remember the tulip bulb craze with the new TBird about 20 years ago? Some folks lost serious money on those as well. And the GT launch wasn’t without hiccups in market appreciation.

I’m a fan of this GTD but there are conditions. You can be enthused without turning a blind eye to the risk you are taking at the world’s first attempt to package a super car in a roided out trailerpark queen shell.

It’s been very quiet on the publicity side for the last 30 days, I hope they will finally start to substantiate why we should be thanking our lucky stars for an allocation.

I firmly agree with what others have said here- the safer bet right now is to buy something with a pedigree. GT2RS, 765, a few other usual a suspects…
 
People also need to ask themselves WHY they are buying a GTD. for me, its a purpose-driven purchase. I'm going to track it. OFTEN. So resale value is not really my main concern. But if I was looking at it with the sole purpose of covering it in bubble wrap for 2 years and then flipping it, I probably would pass. Too risky, and too much of an unknown. And as PredatorPilot noted, there are other more "safe" choices for that purpose. GT2RS, 458 Speciale, SV/SVJ, etc etc............
 
People also need to ask themselves WHY they are buying a GTD. for me, its a purpose-driven purchase. I'm going to track it. OFTEN. So resale value is not really my main concern. But if I was looking at it with the sole purpose of covering it in bubble wrap for 2 years and then flipping it, I probably would pass. Too risky, and too much of an unknown. And as PredatorPilot noted, there are other more "safe" choices for that purpose. GT2RS, 458 Speciale, SV/SVJ, etc etc............
I think many owners are somewhere in between, will I track it, probably not, will I sell 730 days from taking delivery highly doubtful. Will I enjoy taking it to car shows, rallys and canyon drives absolutely. I just hope if the day comes I do decide to sell I’m not selling for half of what I paid for it.
 
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If multimatic is involved, since they have allot of experience racing mustangs, and their suspension technology, can’t see it not being an awesome performer.
For those not intending to track it, consider skipping performance package. Without all those hydraulics, maybe more trouble free in long term!
 
I got denied but now I'm not sure if that was such a bad thing. The roll out of the GTD has been less than stellar. For whatever reason (I'm sure there are many) they missed the window to set a ring time. The alignment between the GTD and the efforts of Ford Performance in racing is indirect imo and the success of the Mustang GT3 last season hasn't been great. The rest of their efforts to market then has been showing new colors and options at Goodwood, Pebble Beach and So Cal C&C. During this time frame some have also been looking at the ZR1 as a smarter purchase.

All of this puts in to question GTD value proposition as the rollout has been lacking excitement. What bothers me the most however is the interior. They nailed the exterior, it's aggressive and looks great, but when the door is opened and you look inside you see a Dark Horse interior for the most part. Ford added some GT500 seats, carbon fiber and a minor amount of titanium. If I were spending close if not past $400K that is not the interior I'd want to be spending my money on.
 
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lol they said the same kind of things about the 05-06 GT and the NFGT. Doubters can doubt, that’s part of the hype. Valid points could be made either way. Now I know this isn’t a GT and doesn’t have the pedigree, but it’s a first of its kind and ford is doing it bc they want to. They could have very easily went down the EV road with this car, if ford wanted 1000hp+ they could have done that very easily. There is a reason behind every decision on this car.


“Walk softly and carry a big stick”
 
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although i wholeheartedly align with your financial perspective, it kinda sounds like you're trying to convince yourself not to get this car. If that is the case, then you should not get this car. Although we all hope it doesn't, you should expect this car (or any car) to depreciate some.

Having said that, if it worries you, choose to delay your engagement window. Although the first cars cannot be sold for 2 years, there will be a market of buyers and projected resale values will be known within a few months of them hitting the road.

Personally, I agree with others that we should not expect NFGT-level immediate appreciation, but I am certain it will increase immediately and hold very well over time. I know it's not a "Ferrari", but there is something special about the legacy of unique American cars that hold/increase better than the majority of their European counterparts. Think the FGT, but also the older Mustang Cobra Rs. Recent example even being the 2024 ZL1 Garage 56 Edition. Stickers for $90k, but selling for upwards of $200k+ second hand.

Either way, you gotta just make the decision or build a plan, but if you're trying to convince yourself our of it, then you're better off getting off the bus now.
 
Definitely not trying to convince myself not to buy, just trying to get an informed set of opinions on what to expect. The last car I got that was up near this level was my GT3 RS, but it was an order of magnitude less expensive and had a pretty clear history; ie: what vales might look like in the future. That does not exist with this car, yet.

Also, many of the important factors for value are still up in the air (true production numbers, ring time, racing success, and how it does compared to competition on track), so there are a lot of factors, and hearing others opinions on this stuff helps me.

I really want this car, and I understand what a huge deal it is to have an opportunity to buy it. I do not take that lightly, just need to make sure I have done my best to educate myself on the financial side of the deal (as it will be a large financial swing).

I too believe the car should hold up very well value wise. My reasoning has a lot to do with emissions regulations and the fact that this may very well be the one of the last Mustangs like this with a big old v8 and no hybrid, turbos, or such wizbangery. The Hellcats were killed by emissions, and the Predator v8 likely is on borrowed time before major changes need to be made.

The limited production nature of GTD will keep it alive longer as it has less of an effect on fleet wide mpg numbers, but high cylinder counts are likely to be at the very least an endangered species.

Also, limited production cars built by Multimatic have a pretty amazing track record, period. Their very involvement takes this car to a very different level in terms of quality and the company of other limited production stuff they have been involved with. As long as it delivers on its promise on the performance side, I think prices below MSRP are unlikely unless Ford immediately follows the GTD up with something significantly faster and cheaper.